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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 9:23:52 GMT
I hated Bet in her later years in the show, and she was never one of my fave's anyway even watching older episodes from the 70s and 80s.
And as for her comeback in 2002 - terrible!
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Post by Nick on Jul 2, 2005 9:56:58 GMT
I thought her second comeback was good..where she helped Liz and Jim while he was on the run...and her closing line to Karen McDonald "Seeya Cruella" was brilliant
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Post by Norris Cole on Jul 2, 2005 10:30:10 GMT
the reason Bet Lynch left was because Julie Goodyear couldn't cope with all the work because she smokes so much - same for her comeback in 2002.
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Post by RitaLittlewood on Jul 2, 2005 11:15:33 GMT
Bet was rubbish. Before they paired her off with Alec Gilroy, she was great. But then came in the shoulder pads and wigs like it was Dynasty and the character, though it was a good double act with Alec, was becoming a caricature and her acting got worse. 2002 was ridiculous. 2003 was more so since Cecil Newton was always more of Alec's friend than Bet's and the whole marriage thing was stupid.
Alex, depending on which papers you read in 2002 she couldn't cope either because she was stressed after doing panto or some such claptrap. Or the working conditions had changed (though Maureen Lipman had no probs adapting and she came straight via the Golden Jubilee celebrations in London from a working cruise!). Or she couldn't cope becuase she was throwing her weight around and no one was paying her any attention.
Good riddance to Bet!
Patsy
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 12:01:38 GMT
Bet was rubbish. Before they paired her off with Alec Gilroy, she was great. But then came in the shoulder pads and wigs like it was Dynasty and the character, though it was a good double act with Alec, was becoming a caricature and her acting got worse. 2002 was ridiculous. 2003 was more so since Cecil Newton was always more of Alec's friend than Bet's and the whole marriage thing was stupid. Alex, depending on which papers you read in 2002 she couldn't cope either because she was stressed after doing panto or some such claptrap. Or the working conditions had changed (though Maureen Lipman had no probs adapting and she came straight via the Golden Jubilee celebrations in London from a working cruise!). Or she couldn't cope becuase she was throwing her weight around and no one was paying her any attention. Good riddance to Bet! Patsy I agree Patsy, the 2003 comeback was crap, as was 2002. I didnt mind her so much in the 1999 Brighton episodes but ive never really been fond of the character. She was OK in the 70s and 80s but not a patch on Elsie Tanner in the "tart with a heart walking wounded" role. I hope she never comes back - Hilda, Mavis and Jenny can come back but NOT Bet! |
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Post by RitaLittlewood on Jul 2, 2005 12:04:37 GMT
Not Jenny because she'll just be fulfilling the disasterous Sharon Gaskill role of giving Reet something to do. But yes to Mave and Hilda and loads of others. Bet should NEVER be brought back ever again. All that guff about "The most popular character". Everyone knows that's Hilda. Julie Goodyear was probably way down the list and they'd got through all the ones who refused before she jumped at it to raise her profile.
Patsy
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 12:08:02 GMT
;D Not Jenny because she'll just be fulfilling the disasterous Sharon Gaskill role of giving Reet something to do. But yes to Mave and Hilda and loads of others. Bet should NEVER be brought back ever again. All that guff about "The most popular character". Everyone knows that's Hilda. Julie Goodyear was probably way down the list and they'd got through all the ones who refused before she jumped at it to raise her profile. Patsy Probabaly - be interesting to see which actors get plaques outside Granada when they die - currently Elsie, Annie, Ena and Alf have them, bet Julie Goodyear will as well  - Barbara probabaly wont when she goes. Id like Chris Collins to come back, just for something nice to look at. ;D |
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Post by Nick on Jul 2, 2005 12:13:03 GMT
How you can mention Jenny Bradley in the same sentence as Hilda Ogden and Mavis Wilton  |
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Post by RitaLittlewood on Jul 2, 2005 12:17:29 GMT
LOL Nick! Yes, Jezziekins. How can you?  Bill Roache will. Maybe Eileen Derbyshire and Betty Driver. Not sure about Barbara. They're going to need a bloody big wall for all those who should! Patsy |
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 12:19:03 GMT
How you can mention Jenny Bradley in the same sentence as Hilda Ogden and Mavis Wilton Because she was one of my faves. |
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 12:20:07 GMT
LOL Nick! Yes, Jezziekins. How can you? Bill Roache will. Maybe Eileen Derbyshire and Betty Driver. Not sure about Barbara. They're going to need a bloody big wall for all those who should! Patsy Betty Driver should, as should Bill Roach. They could put some up by the other enterance to the studios. I think Jean Alexander will get one as well. |
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 12:20:44 GMT
LOL Nick! Yes, Jezziekins. How can you? Patsy COuld have been worst Pat, I could have mentioned Kate Ford! |
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Post by RitaLittlewood on Jul 2, 2005 12:23:25 GMT
LOL! I'm glad you didn't. I might have hurt my other foot by kicking the screen! LOL!
Patsy
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Post by Nick on Jul 2, 2005 13:03:58 GMT
fair do's Jez..we all have our favourites
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 15:16:21 GMT
fair do's Jez..we all have our favourites Patsy and i know someone who likes Jenny even more than I do!  |
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Post by RitaLittlewood on Jul 2, 2005 15:32:12 GMT
That we do. And he's a member but hasn't posted at all. He's a massive fan of Sally Ann Matthews.
Patsy
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 16:21:43 GMT
That we do. And he's a member but hasn't posted at all. He's a massive fan of Sally Ann Matthews. Patsy He is. And he must be pleased Sally Ann is coming into Emmerdale. Didnt realise he was a member here. |
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Post by RitaLittlewood on Jul 2, 2005 16:31:06 GMT
He's getting in blank tapes in readiness! ;D
Patsy
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Post by CG Wendy on Jul 2, 2005 16:42:47 GMT
Bet Lynch/Gilroy in the 70`s and 80`s would never work in the millenium, and here`s why......
a) Part of Bets great performances was partly due to the late but great Annie Walker.
b) Because she`s a lot older now, and wouldn`t fit in with todays cast.
c) Bet was part of the Rovers. Now she`s left, there wouldn`t be any decent plots for her.
d) Not many of the cast would know her, so her performences wouldn`t be all that believable.
e) Alec has already left, so there are no ties that could ever bring Bet back to Weatherfield.
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 16:44:22 GMT
Bet Lynch/Gilroy in the 70`s and 80`s would never work in the millenium, and here`s why...... a) Part of Bets great performances was partly due to the late but great Annie Walker. b) Because she`s a lot older now, and wouldn`t fit in with todays cast. c) Bet was part of the Rovers. Now she`s left, there wouldn`t be any decent plots for her. d) Not many of the cast would know her, so her performences wouldn`t be all that believable. e) Alec has already left, so there are no ties that could ever bring Bet back to Weatherfield. I agree about Annie. Lots of Bet's better scenes were due to Annie/Doris Speed and also Betty and Fred in the Rovers. |
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Post by RitaLittlewood on Jul 2, 2005 17:01:30 GMT
That's a good summing up, CorrieGirl. There's a few people like Ken, Emily and Reet (or the feud with Reet) but at over 60, she's too old for the tarty barmaid look. My dog Barbara HATES Julie Goodyear with a vengeance. When she was 3-months-old, she tried to destroy the fan card I had. And in 2003, I played some of that of Reet and Bet from the year before. Everytime JG was in close-up, she'd turn away, checking out of the corner of her eye. But she'd watch again when Barbara Knox had the close-up. So that's a perfect reason to keep her away from the telly forever! LOL!
I preferred Betty back in those days too. She had more to do and was funnier.
Patsy
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 17:12:04 GMT
That's a good summing up, CorrieGirl. There's a few people like Ken, Emily and Reet (or the feud with Reet) but at over 60, she's too old for the tarty barmaid look. My dog Barbara HATES Julie Goodyear with a vengeance. When she was 3-months-old, she tried to destroy the fan card I had. And in 2003, I played some of that of Reet and Bet from the year before. Everytime JG was in close-up, she'd turn away, checking out of the corner of her eye. But she'd watch again when Barbara Knox had the close-up. So that's a perfect reason to keep her away from the telly forever! LOL! I preferred Betty back in those days too. She had more to do and was funnier. Patsy LOL! Your dog has good taste! Betty is still good but she gets bugger all to do, but that could be what Betty Driver wants at her age. |
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Post by RitaLittlewood on Jul 2, 2005 17:26:34 GMT
Oh she does, though Graeme wouldn't agree.  She ADORES her namesake. If Goodyear had got any award at the soapies, Barbara would not have stood out of respect like she did for Barbara Knox. ;D Though I'm keeping EVERYTHING away from Louise because she'll eat anything regardless. LOL! True. But at least she has more dialogue now and funny lines instead of the, "Hot pot? I'm retiring. No I'm not" of recent years. Patsy |
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Post by sallywebster on Jul 2, 2005 18:44:30 GMT
Oh she does, though Graeme wouldn't agree. She ADORES her namesake. If Goodyear had got any award at the soapies, Barbara would not have stood out of respect like she did for Barbara Knox. ;D Though I'm keeping EVERYTHING away from Louise because she'll eat anything regardless. LOL! True. But at least she has more dialogue now and funny lines instead of the, "Hot pot? I'm retiring. No I'm not" of recent years. Patsy Oh yes Graeme likes Bet doesnt he. Do you have disagreements over that like we do about KF and the quality of recent Corrie? He likes Sally though so thats good, Yes she has had more lines recently rather than "ta lovvie" or "hot pot ken?" |
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Post by CG Wendy on Jul 2, 2005 20:34:59 GMT
There`s an old saying that goes.... "opinions are like ar$eholes - everybody has one" As you are entitled to your opinion hildaogden - so are we. And as you quoted....that`s using my common sense |
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- Barbara probabaly wont when she goes.
She ADORES her namesake. If Goodyear had got any award at the soapies, Barbara would not have stood out of respect like she did for Barbara Knox. ;D Though I'm keeping EVERYTHING away from Louise because she'll eat anything regardless. LOL!