Fred.

[BillyNiblick]

Watching the Saturday morning cooking programme, I noted that John Savident (the erstwhile Fred Elliott) was the guest. I'd clocked him in "A Clockwork Orange" when it got its second cinema release a few years back and remembered being a bit taken aback by his plummy luvvie tones and the stark contrast with Fred's (it must be said) pantomime Northern accent then.

Sure enough, John was sounding like Sir Laurence Olivier again. It sounded very, very, odd.

[Nick]

barbara Knox is a bit like that...when they are on the street its all 'eeh by eck tha knows'...when they are on normal telly they sound like the Duke and Duchess of somwhereorother

[RitaLittlewood]

Weatherfield!

Well Barbara like Helen Worth, Sue Nicholls and a few others would have had elocution to get the accent out of them and it shows the number of times the accent slips or Barbara goes posh.

Patsy

[sallywebster]

Yes ive noticed Barbara and Sue both talk rather posh in real life. Helen Worth sounds the same though, as does Sally Whittaker.

[RitaLittlewood]

No idea if Sally's had elecution but Helen certainly talks posher in real life. It's odd seeing her in Colony In Space from 1971 without the northern accent.

Patsy

[sallywebster]

Didnt realise that about Helen. Mind you we dont see her give interviews that much

[valda]

Sue Nicolls is bound to talk posh in real life as she is Gentry , she is a Proper Lady so I don`t think she had an accent to beguin with (might have gone to a stage school to get one lol) .she did drop the Lady bit to act .

[valda]

not sure where John Savident got his plummy accent from unless it `s because he was an ex policeman and he has been a actor for many year`s

[RitaLittlewood]

She's from Walsall so a Brummie and proud of it. Her father was given the title during his years in politics but she wasn't born to it.

Patsty

[valda]

never knew that I thought she`d been born a lady, as I can`t hear an accent, Wow! Sue is a brummie.

[RitaLittlewood]

Lots of people do because of her Right Honourable Susan Frances Harmer-Nicholls title but she always makes it clear she wasn't. She's as common as muck and proud of it. Just like she won't hear a bad word said against Crossroads either. That's what makes her better than certain people when they get famous.

Patsy

[valda]

it`s hard to think of Sue/Audrey being as common as muck ( well common as muck is me ;p lol) she won`t hear me saying anything against crossroad`s (Meg mortimer/ Richardson, Sandy, Jill etc) I loved it . just wasn`t that keen on the revamped version of it. I can agree with you she is better than certain people when they become famous Patsy

[sallywebster]

I knew Sue was a Brummie, I heard her accent in that 1966 episode of Crossroads!

Talking of Crossroads, and sorry to go off topic, but is volume 3 of the DVD's coming out?

[RitaLittlewood]

She'd had the elocution lessons by then though, Jezziekins, so had to put it on.

Me too, Valda. Carlton's Craproads wasn't Crossroads at all. Did you hear co-creator Peter Ling died recently? Very sad. They should have consulted him when they decided to bring it back. Might not have been so diabolical then.

No idea, Jezziekins. Been cancelled again. The delay is supposed to be to include a lot of extras that were discovered a few months ago.

Patsy

[sallywebster]

They also delayed the Corrie 60s set too but didnt make any excuse for that. Still havent finished watching that, im up to 1966 I think!

However there is no sign of a 1990s box set. Maybe they wont make one as the 1990s isnt really "classic" Corrie.

[RitaLittlewood]

I haven't even seen 1 ep of the 60s. Been far too busy and my DVD pile dating back to when I was in Australia is growing! I'm sure they're breeding. Mind you there aren't any extras on the Corrie ones so no excuse really unless it was a clearance issue or problem in production.

Patsy

[BillyNiblick]

ritalittlewood said:

She's from Walsall so a Brummie and proud of it.

Ahem. forgive me, but if she's from Walsall, then she most certainly is not a Brummiie. Accuse anyone from Walsall of being a Brummie and they'll have your leg off. If Sue Nicholls is anything, she's a Black Country lass. I know - I live round these parts.

[RitaLittlewood]

Black Country or Birmingham. Still speak with the same accent. But thank you for pointing out the difference.

Patsy

[BillyNiblick]

ritalittlewood said:

Black Country or Birmingham. Still speak with the same accent.
Patsy

Aieee ! More heresy ! The study of accents is obviously not something that has detained you for long.

[valda]

Billy we all speak with accent`s so why study it? :x to me it doesn`t matter which part of Birmingham Sue Nicholl`s come`s from she`s proud to be a brummie Warsall and Birmingham and yourself should be proud of her too for her saying that ok.

[RitaLittlewood]

Hear, hear, Valda. People in Birkenhead all speak the same Scouse accent even though they aren't technically Liverpool (according to Scousers). South Londoners can sound the same as those from the East End. People in the Midlands are the same. Noddy Holder's from the Black Country yet sounds exactly the same as any Brummie.

Patsy

[BillyNiblick]

valda said:

Billy we all speak with accent`s so why study it?

Erm, because it's a rather fascinating phenomenon?

:x to me it doesn`t matter which part of Birmingham Sue Nicholl`s come`s from she`s proud to be a brummie Warsall

Walsall (not Warsall) is not part of Birmingham. It's a town in its own right.

and Birmingham and yourself should be proud of her too for her saying that ok.

Sorry, I don't understand this.

[BillyNiblick]

ritalittlewood said:

Hear, hear, Valda. People in Birkenhead all speak the same Scouse accent even though they aren't technically Liverpool (according to Scousers).

Well, again, I have direct personal experience of this - my best man is a Birkonian and has persuaded me (as I've known him for years) that the Birkenhead accent is subtly different from the Scouse one. Also again, if you describe him as a scouser, he would be deeply offended.

People in the Midlands are the same. Noddy Holder's from the Black Country yet sounds exactly the same as any Brummie.

This is so, so wrong. The range of different accents in the Midlands (however you define the area) is enormous. And once again, if you told Noddy Holder his Wolverhampton accent was a Brummie one, he would be mortally offended.

[RitaLittlewood]

Paul O'Grady's from Birkenhead, my family are from Anfield and they all sound the same. How do you know Noddy Holder would be mortally offended? Have you ever asked?

Patsy

[BillyNiblick]

ritalittlewood said:

Paul O'Grady's from Birkenhead, my family are from Anfield and they all sound the same. How do you know Noddy Holder would be mortally offended? Have you ever asked?

Patsy

I just know that'd be the typical reaction of Wolverhampton folk. I've not spoken to Nod personally about it. So, you're a scouser yourself? I'm surprised to hear you say that you sound the same as the folk from across the water.